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      Another continuation of anti-Semitic tropes from Congresswoman Talib. She's trafficked in such attacks before, and now she doubles down on tweeting that the only reason any Congress person supports Israel is because the Jews are paying them $$. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the merits, right? Has to be secret Jew "control" by using that Jew money as a weapon.


      She accuses AIPAC, a pro-Israel lobby group of making the payments - even though AIPAC doesn't make any donations to any candidates.


      For people like Omar - all groups can lobby and even donate funds to candidates who are open to their agenda, unless the group is a Jewish group. When Jews do what everyone else does, it is somehow nefarious.


      She even said she'd be glad to meet with Christian Chelsea Clinton to talk about anti-Semitism, at the same time that she refuses to have that discussion with her fellow Dem Jewish Congress persons. Way to hear the voices of the marginalized right? Chelsea Clinton is somehow speaking for the Jewish community?


      It's one thing to deal with bigots from the Left and Right in mainstream America - but when it's coming from Congress itself it is especially disconcerting - because her position normalizes her bigotry.


      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/freshman...

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          Jerry Tanenbaum
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              neinstein
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              If you do that for issues that are lobbied for by Jews, and not for everyone else - yes, you are being anti-Semitic. Especially given that this issue with money has been a Gentile prejudice against Jews for 2000 years.


              Omar doesn't have a problem with liberal groups donating money to liberal causes and into political candidacies of people who will support those issues.


              When a politician takes a stand on improving the environment, and has received some donations from environmental organizations -- do you say -- "well, follow the money" as an explanation for the politicians' viewpoint?


              If not, but you do so for politicians who support Israel, then yes, you are being a bigot.


              (AIPAC is a non-profit social justice group, not a for-profit entity like the NRA or corporate donorship. When Omar made her false comparison of AIPAC and the NRA, she should have instead compared it with other non-profit social promotion groups.)

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                      Jerry Tanenbaum
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                      Jerry Tanenbaum , what's your position on West Bank settlements? U.S. policy has been strongly against them. Trump and Kuchner are strongly promoting them. There's a very widespread effort to boycott Israel until it stops expanding the West Bank settlements. Netanyahu calls the boycott movement "anti-Semitic," which I must say enrages me. Peace and security for Israel, and peace and security for Palestine. What's anti-Semitic about that?

                      http://jcpa.org/article/u-s-policy-on-israeli-sett...

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                          Journeyman
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                          I've always opposed the settlements personally. But I do also understand the complexity, and I know for a fact that the settlements are not the reason for Arab opposition to Israel.


                          You asked your question fairly and it deserves a real response. I apologize but I will have to give you a longish answer, because the stereotypical sound bites obscure the real issues.


                          The Arabs tried to annihilate Israel in two separate wars long before Israel even had any control of the territories. And Israel offered the territories back in 1967 in exchange for peace and the Arabs said "no". And - the Gaza experience in which Israel not only withdrew every single settlement but also removed even their Army presence from Gaza - resulted in the exact opposite of a shift toward peace. The Palestinians took it as a sign of weakness and redoubled their commitment to annihilation of Israel.


                          So - while I don't believe the Settlements are justified, I also know they are not the reason there is no peace.


                          It was not that long ago that the majority of Israelis were repeatedly willing to dismantle the settlements if it could lead to a real peace.


                          Now, however, after the Gaza experience - Israelis have a different concern. If they withdraw from the settlements and give more autonomy to Palestinian in the territories -- what will stop them from simply inviting Iran and Hezbollah in and putting more missiles on every Israeli border?


                          So - I think it is error to imagine that in today's climate that there would be any "peace and security" for Israel if they abandoned the settlements. Gaza suggests quite the opposite, and Israel is so tiny that they can't afford to ever lose any war. They would be overrun and likely slaughtered.


                          So any BDS people who actually think somehow forcing Israel to withdraw the settlements would lead to peace is imo very naive and willing to take the risk on the backs of Israeli Jews.


                          I think it's also naive of the BDS crowd to think that Israel would in fact take steps that would allow Iran in the heart of their nation - no matter what the rest of the world does to Israel in terms of sanctions etc. Because they see such moves as primarily suicidal.


                          At most - Israel might withdraw settlements - but they will never without a true peace withdraw their military and check points etc. They will continue to blow the shit out of Iranian arms shipments etc etc. It really is a matter of life and death for them. And - then the BDS crowd will say it's not the "settlements" but the other defensive measures Israel takes that they will target as the "problem"


                          Most BDS people I have deeper conversations with however don't even believe or want that -- they want the destruction of any Jewish refuge state. They argue about "Palestine from the River to the Sea" -- which means Jews living in the same subjugation they lived in throughout most of Arabia for the last thousand years or so.


                          From my view, the largest stumbling block to peace is that the Arab leadership has not embraced true peace with Jews. It's rooted in their faith concepts that Muslims must dominate, Sharia law relegates Jews to very low status (can't even testify in court as a full human for example) -- and their institutional schools, media and universities are still teaching their population that Jews are "pigs and apes". PEW surveys across Arabia reveal that even the most educated deeply believe the worst anti-Jew conspiracy theories ever thought of. Their idea of "peace" is a Muslim state in which they would provide what they see as reasonable treatment to the Jewish minority.

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                          finally - on the anti-semitism in the BDS movement: First, I've already explained that the movement is focused on forcing Israel to take suicidal steps, which no one in those same movements would ask of any non-Jewish nation. So when they argue that Israel must stop the blockade and allow Gaza to import arms from Iran - it shows bigotry.


                          Second - many in that movement also rely on anti-semitic tropes -- calling the Jews "nazis" for example; accusing them of "genocide"; horrible conspiracy theories ranging from "killing Palestinians to sell their body parts" to "training sharks to attack Palestinian swimmers"; and of course there is always lurking that "nefarious Jewish "control" issue."


                          They make false comparisons to South Africa - ignoring that more Arabs obtain high learning degrees in Israel than anywhere else in the middle east - ignoring Palestinians on the Israeli Supreme Court, in their legislature, working as doctors and lawyers and teachers in Israel etc.


                          I've even seen BDS people claiming that all the positives that Israel does, is some sort of "ruse" cooked up for "hasbarah" PR purposes. For example, Israel is by far the most Progressive nation in the middle east on gay rights -- but if it's ever mentioned the BDS crowd yells "pink washing" -- as if it is another nefarious conspiracy rather than the societal egalitarian embrace that it actually is in Israel.


                          All of these reveal anti-Semitic bigotry, but when challenged the purveyors fall back on the very false claim that "any criticism" of Israel results in a charge of bigotry.


                          And - there is something recognizable about the self-righteous passion the BDS crowd has to right the "wrong" of Jewish Liberation -- when at the same time they have zero passion for other nations' problems -- so many of which make Israel's look small by comparison. This too certainly raises the clear possibility of underlying racist motives. Just like Omar did in her statement that about politicians who support Israel on the merits.


                          Not all BDS people are anti-Semitic, but there is deep antisemitism aligned with the movement. Rare do I see discussion from them on the issues that doesn't at some point start including anti-semitic concepts.


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                                  JimT
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                                  yes it’s ok for American citizens to donate to charities or political causes, and yes Mr Soros has been generous fair to notice. It is also fair to notice every bigot or supremist who comes out to question the loyalty of this particular holocaust surviver

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                                      JimT
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                                      Good point. She didn't accuse her fellow Progressives who also hate Israel from being "bought and paid for by" Soros.


                                      Jew hate on the Left is often limited to opposition to Jewish Liberation, and the age old "control" conspiracy theories.


                                      Oddly, the Right wing Jew hate is ok with Jewish Liberation cuz they want Jews to move out of the country. But unlike the Left wingers, they hate all individual Jews no matter that person's politics etc.

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                                          Jerry Tanenbaum
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                                          It will be interesting to see what leadership does, and what she does in return.

                                          You need to understand that her views may well represent the views of those who elects her.

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                                              derfallbright
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                                              I do understand that. Lot's of people scapegoat "the Jews" and believe in those sorts of bigoted tropes.


                                              She'd get a lot of agreement from the KKK types.

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