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Chinese carrier based J-15 "flying sharks" now operating over Syria and slamming ISIS targets. I wonder if China had any assistance with building such a beautiful and bad ass weapons platform. First time ever China has engaged in "meddle" east combat ops.
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Mike - all of us in the USA live with this. What I take exception to - is anyone and everyone presuming to know ALL about this singular shooter and what his intent was. Ben Carson doesn't know. Hillary Clinton doesn't know. Main stream media on the left and right - doesn't f-ing know. You and I don't know all - for Pete's sake. Consequentially all of us can't possibly opine with authority about it.
Soooooo let's focus on waiting to know all about the criminal conduct that played out in Roseburg, Oregon - after all of the investigating of it has occurred. For me that means not opining divisively about it and the victims caught up in it until whenever it is that all of the investigating of it by federal and state authorities has been completed. And let's all relax and let that happen - even if that means we all won't know ALL until after the 2016 general election.
Bending, twisting and taking advantage of this maddening terrorizing day in Oregon for IN THE MOMENTSUSPECT REASONS - either selling main stream media "news" or selling political candidates and political parties agenda's - doesn't make any sense to me. In fact it nauseates me.
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How am I over-reacting? I agree targetted violent actions occur in other population bases in the USA.
Trust me, Mike. I do have a personal opinion about what happened in Roseburg. It is very hard to not pass personal judgment about it and make demands of my elected members of congress or the candidates for president trying to sell themselves to each of us - and in the process weighing in and prostituting themselves in the immediate wake of this depraved action here in Oregon.
My frustration at the political system and main stream media feeding off of it right now - just makes me sad at the STATE our nation exists in today. Needing to feed off of human tragedy and societally abuse it.
I just wish - like the young girl I used to be decades ago we could rewind time and make it all go away, knowing it can't be.
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I understand. I just don't know how to correlate any of this.
I am sick and tired of being told I have to relate what happened in Roseburg to anywhere else.
I am being manipulated. You are being manipulated. We love to knee jerk and divide - right out of the shoot.
Let's let the investigation into what occurrred in Northern Arizona and Southern Oregon occur. It most likely will take months and months and months for that to be completed.
The fact the Democratic National Committee and the GOP National Committee too - have agenda pursuits in place in knee jerk fashion less than a month out from both of these tragedies - sickens me.
Don't f-ing manipulate me. Especially before ANY OF US KNOW the entirety of what occurred and why.
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I am not sure what other state's have done in response to their tragic events - Oregon will need to vet out every bit of evidence, perform interviews, hunt down leads and make sure all false leads are followed up too.
I am most curious to know - since we know he was a disturbed young man with possibly mental health issues - did any public entity or agency know about his volatility and disserve him - wholly and completely?
The state of Oregon may be flawed in very many progressive ways - but the sheer number of victims involved here - demands this state STEP IT UP and do everything in its power to prove to the people and most especially to his victims they KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS GUN MAN, everything about what he did, every thing that every agency and person influencing him had to do with him, too is fully understood - before they can presume to close the books on what happened on the campus of Umpqua Community College - and why.
To presume you know all about what happened on that college campus last week - I would be curious to know from you - how so?
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What have we learned so far? - the main stream media is feeding off of this. THEY profit from keeping this story alive and spinning new webs that sell the news about it.
Ben Carson - you should've known better than to respond to persons inquiring of your opinion of a fluid news/societal topic like this - and stepped back and made sure to formulate your own statement about this from outside of a main stream news studio less than a month post the UCC shooting.
But he didn't - and as a consequence - Chris Mathews is feeding off of his words (surprise, surprise), his paraphrased words are being fed to the victims of this mass murder as fast as persons with special interests can locate them and attempt to influence them and Fox news, too is having its day too- pandering to those that tune in to their news - re: what just happened in their studio via Ben Carson's presence there.
Who is surprised about any of that?
Come on, Ben. These were your words - you are smart enough to know anyone hearing them would be freely opining about them and prostituted news services would be passed along to crime victims and the public at large in paraphrased and/or fully editorialized ways and means. Word up, sir - as a citizen of the State of Oregon I still need to know more before I can opine about what happened in an informed manner. My neighbors in Oregon still need to know more - even the Governor of Oregon where I live - needs to know MORE about what happened on this day - and why in our state.
We all might not know ALL about what this singular armed man chose to do and why - before election year 2016, judging on how slow federal and state investigation go - in regard to multiple victim mass killings like this. Don't trounce all over me for my telling anyone and everyone - I won't be able to fully opine more until I know - everything. Same applies to you, Ben and you, Hillary, and you Bernie and you Carly and you, and you and you...
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Good for them for stopping the shooter. BUT for someone to be mouthing off about how they would react in the same situation is just the most vile and ignorant, victim blaming nonsense. Unless Ben Carson has actually experienced a shooting, he does not have an inkling how he would react. Honestly, I'm shocked that a former surgeon can be that ignorant about traumatic events.
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Hardly. For one thing, a person who doesn't like cheese has the option of not eating cheddar. A democrat doesn't have the same option of opting out if a Republican wins the presidency.
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All he had to say was "it was a terrible incident" and give his condolences to the families. The garbage about them this gunman only says to these families that your kids were cowards and brought on their own death.
As far as him standing up or hiding behind a barrier and stupidly saying, hey guys let's rush him and standing up to do so, he wouldn't have had the time to finish saying that because he would have been shot first and wouldn't have been faced with answering that question!
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The correct answer is "Having never experienced the situation, I do not know how I would have reacted. I hope I would have acted to stop the shooter, but it is impossible for me to imagine the horror of being caught in that situation. All I can say is that the event is tragic, and my heart goes out to the victims and the families affected by such calamities."
But of course, he has to pretend that people can just "man up" and stop shooters, or how will he justify doing nothing to increase gun control.
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Not when his honest answer reveals that the man doesn't have any idea what it's like to be in a situation where you have reason to fear for you life. I'm not "smug". I'm angry. The reason I'm angry is because, unlike this genius, I actually know how people respond to shocking and traumatic situations, and I know that many people who survive traumas, especially traumatic events that other people don't survive, spend their lives blaming themselves for not being "braver" and preventing situations that their bodies gave them no power to stop. This man's smug machismo plays directly into the worst fears and guilts of people who, unlike him, have survived horrible and scaring experiences. A former surgeon should know better.
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Instead of feeling sorry for yourself, you should share your traumatic event with others and maybe help others avoid the same outcome. You can't bury your head in the sand and criticize others for disturbing you or bringing up events that have left you scared for life.
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I don't care if he's black, blue or purple. I care that his words are wrong and harmful. I also care that his politics, atleast where gun control is concerned, are wrong and harmful.
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