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      When politicians like Kirsten Gillibrand demanded that Senator Franken resign after accusations were made against him, they made a mistake.

      Rushing Senator Franken out the door in this unceremonious fashion, prevented the creation of a formalized process for issues of this sort, which anyone accused would have to go through, and act according to the findings, instead of blowing it all off. An example is Jim Jordan, who in the absence of such a process, refuses to take responsibility for abetting crimes against students.

      Having such a formal process in place would also prevent the loss of lawmakers who were specifically set up for accusation of sexual misconduct as Al Franken appears to have been. The Fascists are using the #MeToo movement as a weapon against political opponents, as easily as shooting fish in a barrel.

      ~czook



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          czook
          6 days ago

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          He was weak.

          It's a weak party, the DNC, the loyal opposition. He could have done "mea culpa", but he rolled over. That's what the loyal opposition does in a rigged system.

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              czook
              6 days ago

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              I find it odd that the Rethuglicans, Farenthold, Jordan, tRump now Collins ( insider trading ) all think they're immune to the law and it's process.

              They have years and years of a corrupt formal process to hide behind. With sex crimes, they KNOW they control the narrative because they've always controlled it.

              I hate that Frankens' gone, I really do. He was a warrior Senator with a very big heart and cared deeply for his constituents and the country.

              He departed, yes under pressure from his female counterparts but also to set an example that the f*ckhead rethuglicans accused of the same crimes refuse to do. They instead ask us believe their lies.

              I'm sure we haven't seen or heard the last from Al Franken. He'll reemerge in politics as he regains strength after that soul-crushing blow. There's nothing worse than hanging for a crime you didn't commit. And you're right, Gillibrand and her posse` jumped on him way too soon and way to powerfully, I'd like them to do the same on Jordan and tRUmp, but I think they think, be they're not Democrats, it's not their problem.

              What we need are new sex crime laws.

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                  kimtek
                  6 days ago

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                  We definitely need some process for dealing with this. It troubles me that the Russians pushed that narrative about Franken and it makes me wonder if he wasn't set up.

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                          James Ascher
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                          Some of Franken's conduct occured while he was campaigning for US Senator. I can appreciate conduct that is decades old - but to be engaging in sexually harassing conduct while campaigning for the office of US Senate - nah. Nope. Never. Deal breaker. And yes, anyone else who engaged in the same kind of conduct - I feel the same way toward. You won't ever earn my vote - for any elected office doing that.

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                                  czook
                                  7 days ago

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                                  Al Franken was not railroaded. He resigned in order to prevent the Democrats from looking like absolute hypocrites about sexual harassment. They could not, on the one hand, deride Trump for saying how he treats women while defending Franken for demonstrating with photographic evidence how he treats women.

                                  Sure, Franken deserved an opportunity to defend himself. So does Trump. They both have it on Twitter and in the press. Trump decided to push on because it's all about Trump and he's a master at manipulating the media. Franken took one for the team. There was not way to spin his conduct and avoid the charge of upholding a double standard.

                                  Losing Franken was not, in my view, a huge loss for the Democrats or Progressives. He was entertaining and put on a good show cross examining appointees, but he had virtually no record in advancing progressive ideas legislatively.

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                                      tepake
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                                      I take exception to your statement that Al Franken "had virtually no record in advancing progressive ideas legislatively". He was certainly a strong supporter of progressive legislative positions. https://www.quora.com/Has-Al-Franken-been-a-succes...

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                                          tepake
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                                          Thank you, tepake.

                                          Al Franken is expendable. We can demand better from our elected leaders. It ALL matters. And none of it - when it is conduct that degrades women - is excusable. There were, I believe, seven women in total who had actions born upon them that Franken to this day - can't defend. No one railroaded Al. Most damning of all - some of his sexual harassing conduct occured while he was campaigning - not far off in the distant past. There is no excuse for that. If you are serious about being a US Senator.


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                                                  tepake
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                                                  You forgot the part where he asked for an investigation and was ignored.

                                                  And did you read the starter post? What about it doesn't smell like railroading?

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                                                          czook
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                                                          'Innocent until proven guilty'. That is what our justice system is supposed to live.

                                                          That being said, was there not actual photographic evidence of Franken's 'acts' and isn't that what 'forced' his leave?

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                                                              OrdinaryJosephine
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                                                              The only photograph was of him faking a grab, he didn't touch her. Other photos showed her grabbing and kissing the men, one of them against his will, so who knows what went on, it appeared to be the usual for that tour.

                                                              The other photos showed nothing of what the two women claimed, just them and him smiling at the camera.

                                                              You'd think they'd look a little startled to get their derriere grabbed, what? And that is why we're supposed to have investigations.

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