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      I have been in meetings, in Texas, where black, white, Hispanic and Asian police officers voiced support for peaceful protests, INLCUDING the Black Lives Matter movement. Policemen have a very dangerous job, and most of them preform above and beyond the call of duty. In order to protect citizens and good policemen, we MUST hold bad policemen accountable for their wrongdoings.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-interna...

      U.S. police officers largely believe high-profile deaths of black people at the hands of law enforcement officers have made their jobs more difficult, according to a new national survey. They’re also skeptical of the protests that have followed those tragic incidents.

      But there’s one key issue where it turns out protesters and law enforcement officers overwhelmingly agree: Bad cops aren’t held accountable.

      Seventy-two percent of U.S. police officers do not believe that officers who consistently do a poor job are held accountable, according to a new Pew Research Center survey conducted by the National Police Research Platform.

      Asked whether they agreed with the idea that officers who consistently do a poor job are held accountable, 47 percent of officers disagreed and 25 percent strongly disagreed. Barely one-quarter of officers surveyed either agreed or strongly agreed that officers who do a poor job are held accountable (24 percent agreed, while just 3 percent strongly agreed).

      The majority of officers, 53 percent, either disagreed or strongly disagreed that the disciplinary process at their agency is fair, while a combined 46 percent agreed or strongly agreed that it is fair.

      The Pew Research Center’s survey was conducted last year and involved nearly 8,000 law enforcement officers. Many of the other results of the survey will not be terribly surprising to those paying close attention to the tensions between law enforcement and many of the communities they patrol. It found that most officers don’t believe the public understands the risks and challenges of being a police officer, for example. But the survey does reveal deep divisions within the law enforcement community.

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          I watched multiple White officers stop a group of Black teens coming from the area high school football practice.

          They weren't loud nor doing anything that I and other neighbors found suspicious. In fact a Asian woman spoke up for them when we asked what the problem was. A officer claimed he heard one of them say, gun. Something the Asian woman was was walking behind them disputed. I called to complain.... No return call, email or letter. Black Americans overall don't like or trust the police and its we how are most often their victims. The sad truth is little to nothing is done when they abuse or hurt minorities. A few dollars may be paid to families but that's it.


          It hasn't gone unnoticed that former officer Slagger received a mistrial even after the video of him shooting a fleeing unarmed middle aged Black man in the back. That mistrial isn't on the police but a jury.

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              Many things in this post and the accompanying article that are wrong, misleading and just generally incorrect.


              First, we have the deliberate use of the term "poor job" which I am to take as "bad cop" or "corrupt cop". This is factually wrong and shows a lack of understanding of the job and duties of law enforcement. You can be a "good cop" and do a "poor job". The distinction is lost on most civilians but I will try to explain. When you sign on at a department, you are tasked with knowing both the laws and the rules and regs of your department. You need to follow both, but the average person needs only follow the law. As an example, the department I once worked for had a firm "escalation of force" policy. You had discretion, but only to a certain point. If for example, a person were to assume a hostile posture and attack you within 25 feet, you had no option, it was a lethal force encounter. If you found yourself in this situation and decided to use your taser or pepper spray instead, then you were in violation of the department policy and had done a "poor job". Before you get upset, many studies had been conducted that show that within 25 feet, an assailant has the advantage against an unprepared officer, that drawing your weapon and firing within that distance has a low probability of a good outcome for the officer. If you choose the taser, and one of the barbs misses or contacts an area not in contact with the skin of the assailant, you will not have a second shot, and will likely be overcome before any other options of force can be readied. If you choose your pepper spray, you will likely be incapacitated by the "overspray" and it is possible that the assailant will not. You will then be in an altercation with an assailant who has a distinct advantage and not be able to deploy your other weapons because you cannot see properly to use them. So, in this situation, a "good job" is to shoot an assailant, armed or not, because there is no way to guarantee the outcome any other way, or more precisely, the best chances of surviving this incident requires the use of lethal force.


              Rules and regs, determine the performance of an officer, not the general outcomes. Every officer that has made more than a few arrests, has had at least a few citizen complaints. Things from excessive force to improper search. These are people that are in a bad situation and trying to make it go away any way they can. Most of these complaints fall into the category of "junk" but a few land squarely in the category of "following the rules and regs". If you are a wanted fugitive, and I have the unfortunate luck of pulling you over, you can bet that I will make damn sure I am going home at the end of shift. Regs say you get a "hot stop" where a few officers pin and cuff you, that's what you get. I am not going to risk my life, taking it easy, so that you can pull a weapon and shoot me out of your window. At which point, you will probably send up a complaint, and I will go and have to explain that you had warrants for a violent felony, so we followed the rules and complied with department policy for hot stops. If I were to walk to your window, and get you to turn yourself in peaceably, the outcome would be better(for you) but I have done a poor job following procedure.


              Next we come to the reality of law enforcement, the love/hate relationship with the Police union. I love that good officers, caught up in drama from the over politicization of law enforcement, can call on their union lawyer to protect them. I hate that bad cops get the same (and sometimes greater) protection. There have been many times in my career that I have known officers that shouldn't be security guards, but the Union Lawyer kept protecting them, and preventing their termination.

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