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      One of my favorite atheist leaders is my friend Mandisa Lateefah Thomas. She and I do not agree on everything, of course, but we have found agreement between us on a major idea. Other atheists in particular may find this of interest. For details, please see (and comment) here--


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          Ed Buckner
          3 years ago

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          Atheism is a belief that God does not exist. OK. So why do you need an organization? Are you insecure about that belief and need affirmation from others? Are you excluded from employment, social activities, etc because of your non-belief? How would anyone know about your non-belief unless you tell them? IMHO an organization of Atheist is a religious group whose belief is that God does not exist. Now there are millions of people that would disagree with you. But the vast majority couldn't care less that you are an Atheist. Just as they don't care that someone is Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, Buddhist, etc. However, when you try to impose your non-belief on others, you become a nuisance or bigot. If the mere mention of the word "God" threatens your non-belief, you have a problem.

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              liltman
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              Actually, atheism is even less than that in a sense--it's a lack of belief that any supernatural beings exist, not itself a belief. And no one needs an organization because of that, for sure. Most American atheists--an unknown proportion, but certainly a great majority--are not members of any organizations related to their atheism. Those of us who are members are not--as far as I know, anyway--insecure about our lack of theistic belief. Many of us do want socializing (me, less so--but it's less of a draw for me than some). A majority of Americans, in my experience, are somewhere between indifferent and reasonable about the atheism of others. A significant minority, who have considerable legal and political power, however, are convinced that atheists should be treated as second class citizens or that theists should be given special rights--tax breaks, most notably--or default respect as being more decent, moral, trustworthy, and honorable. Those legal impediments and social stigmas are the reasons that I--and I think most other atheists who're members--join atheist organizations. Indeed, when they try to impose their belief on others, they (you?) become nuisances and bigots. If the mere mention of the word "atheist"--of the fact that not everyone accepts your religious beliefs, threatens that belief, then you have a real problem. Those who expect me to stand respectfully by while this happens will be disappointed.

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                  liltman
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                      Ed Buckner
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                      Labeling people as Atheist is defining them for what they do not believe in. The tooth fairy, the Easter rabbit, Santa,big foot, Loch Ness monster, UFOs. The list would be endless. I prefer to be referred to as sane.

                      Scientific Proof God Does Not Exist.

                      If God actually existed and was everywhere, micro managing every aspect of the Universe, he would have to be able to travel much faster than the speed of light which is a physical impossibility as Einstein has demonstrated in Special Relativity and which has been verified by the Scientific community, ( which is not to be confused with Scientologists).

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                          Alain Walther
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                          Where is the scientific proof that God does not exist? I've neither seen it nor heard about it.

                          Also, I don't believe that God, having given us free will, micro-manages.

                          One last thing - God is not bound by time, nor space, nor any limitations we as humans have. 'Faster than the speed of light'? He's not 'superman'; he's God - "'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,' declares the LORD." -Isaiah 55:8. If just being 'faster than the speed of light' is your measure of God, your expectations are too low.


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                              Ed Buckner
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                              Thanks, Ed. I'm a non-believer and it took me awhile to actually call myself an atheist. That's mostly because there are so many misconceptions over the term. What helped me most was the feeling that I'm not alone and it is actually okay to be an atheist. I love Julia Sweeney's show about her journey to non-belief. The best thing about church was the community involved. Eventually, pretending and/or feeling like a fraud made it less comfortable. I've never really been involved with the actual Atheist organization, although we used to belong to Center for Inquiry. Since we moved we've found a group of Freethinkers that we really enjoy meeting with. Most of us are Secular Humanists but we realize not all atheists are. I think the only thing all atheists have in common is their non-belief. For many of us, it's good to know we're not "bad people" because we cannot buy into the religious beliefs. And we're not alone.

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                                  Stefanie Miller
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                                  I'm sorry if you were ever made to feel like a 'bad person' because you didn't believe in God. We each have our own journey in this life. Some of us are able to believe, while others struggle, and still others find themselves not able to believe in God. Some who profess a belief, for example, in Christianity still go into the world and do things completely contrary to Christ's teachings. It not only doesn't change Christ's actual teachings, it doesn't represent Christianity in a real way.

                                  You are someone created and loved by God. Your journey in this life is unique to you. Even if you reject God, He doesn't reject you. Just as any parent loves their child, you are loved.

                                  I know you don't believe this. That's ok. (not that you need my affirmation) It's very hard sometimes to believe.

                                  I wish you all blessings. I wish you peace. I wish you joy. I wish you love.

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                                      OrdinaryJosephine
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                                      Thank you for your kind words. However, I'm perfectly comfortable with my atheism. I really didn't have that "bad person" experience except with the cop in my head. I know others have had to deal with cruelty from family members, etc. Churches can heap on lots of guilt. I think it's possible that there was a Creator (many of our Founders were Deists), but then the creation is on its own. I won't go into it further except to say that I'm focused on being a good person, and the consequences and rewards are those that I experience here on Earth. I'm happy that you are comfortable in your own beliefs, and I also wish you peace and joy and love! Thanks, Josephine!

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                                          Ed Buckner
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                                          I'm not sure that I agree with organized atheist groups. In a sense, atheism has become a religion of non-religion. There are atheist out there who look for issues to cause problems. Atheist are supposed to be non believers who live and let live. These days, some seek to attack the religious and make demands of how they should worship. That's wrong. Especially from people who don't believe. The extreme atheist are no better than the extreme Christians.

                                          As to the question in the title of this article, NO, atheist should not broaden their purpose. As I've said, they should have no purpose to begin with. Atheist should defend a person's right to worship as much as they defend a person's right not to worship. Just because a person doesn't believe in God doesn't mean they should have an agenda or movement against God.

                                          A lot of people don't believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy, but there is no agenda or movement against them. There is no need, purpose, or point. The same with all this hoopla against Christians and their belief.

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                                              Jacqueline Stone
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                                              I have too many friends, family and neighbors who are religious - one Muslim, one follower of Buddha, one of Baha'i, a number of Protestants, Mormons and a handful of Catholics.

                                              I also have a few friends who are Atheists and one Agnostic. All of us want what is best for our country, each other, our families and the world. None of us are against Christians and their beliefs, but there are many on Yabberz who feel we should be Christians, and tell us we are not good enough if we are not. I assume that is also prevalent in the world, it is just not in my world.

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                                                  opie
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                                                  We are all God's children. No one is not good enough. Just as any parent loves their children and understands their differences, we are loved by God.

                                                  I want to simply add that in usual circumstances people want to share the best they have/know with those they care about. For Christians that is the story of Christ's life, and what He taught while He was on this earth. I feel that it is similar to the thought/feeling that, for the Christian, if the information wasn't shared with someone they cared about it would be something like the'equivalent' of not sharing an insider tip in the stock market that would guarantee their friend/family member wealth beyond their imagining, and forever. It's not a lack of respect for you, it's more a matter of caring/love and wanting the best (as viewed by the friend/family member etc) for you.

                                                  Don't take it as something negative. Please take it as something that someone is doing/sharing because they really care about you.

                                                  (When my Jewish friends share Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashasana with me I don't feel insulted - I am bouyed by the fact that they're sharing their faith. They're presenting me with their values and beliefs. These are people I respect and love. Why wouldn't I take what they have to say in the context it is meant and then take it into consideration?)

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                                                      Jacqueline Stone
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                                                      I agree, JS. Why would we need to be part of a group? I feel fine about my choices and I don't need anyone to validate them for me.

                                                      If religion makes people feel better, fine. Just don't try to force your beliefs on me and we'll get along nicely.

                                                      Do unto others...

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