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      The Mutant Amendment

      3 years ago

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      The Second Amendment is a right for all Americans. People have the right to own weapons, Guns. That right should never be taken away, however that right should have never been allowed to mutate into the Child Murdering and Human Suffering tool it is in the 21st Century.


      Face facts, it is the greatest stain on US culture. A guaranteed quarterly news cycle, the same arguments for and the same arguments against. All the while the dead are buried as the debate rages around the procession of Hearses, the families of those killed in cold blood forced to listen to the diatribe of excuses as to why nothing will stop that one Gunman.

      Houses of Pain.

      The media will shed its crocodile tears, politicians will say this is a terrible tragedy and cry crocodile tears, many on the web will do likewise. It's what you do. Many in the US will claim to want to protect innocent life, yet unfettered access to weapons of all shapes, sizes and Kill rates go on. The 2nd Amendment is alive and well in its current Mutated Form allows all types of access for those whose lust for a boom stick is only outdone by their arguments against those who plead with them to have something akin to common sense, but no.


      Quite frankly the NRA has simply made you the 2nd Amendment extremes the firewall where the deaths of children, students, young minds, educators, parents mean absolutely nothing. Pro Life Pro Gun equals an undeniable contradiction, and that is where many of you reside. You don't care about those who die but when it comes to protecting your own rights in regards to Gun Ownership, you are steadfast in your own ignorance.

      The Dangers of Learning.

      It says an awful lot about a nation that you can send your child to school knowing the chances of that child being torn to shreds at his or her desk is not a nightmare but a stark reality. Think about that, in the US every school morning children will get on school buses and that child has a lesser chance coming home alive than any other developed nation in earth. But many of you are fine with that, after all they aren't your children are they?

      The Quarterly Offering.


      As long as you keep your own unhindered access to weaponry that is neither for home protection or for Sporting Pursuits, then the Blood of those shed at the hands of a Killer using those very same weapons, feel free to wash some of that Blood from your own hands.


      After all, he was only exercising his Mutant Amendment right.

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          Kevin Mc Daid
          3 years ago

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          I've never understood the 2nd amendment in more recent society. Mind you, I didn't get the 18th either - prohibition was never going to work. I mean at least the second one made sense when the declaration of independence was made. At a time when the US was fighting for it's freedom from my home country (I'm English), then guns were necessary in what was a war. On from that due to the civil war, other scuffles and just general lawlessness as the country joined up into the united states and then the dust settled, guns were as necessary for life as oxygen.


          However, centuries pass and suddenly the world's moved on - as has the US - guns aren't really necessary now. Britain's managed without the world and his wife being armed to the teeth like Rambo on speed very well overall.


          Sure we have armed response police, we have criminals now that seem to be able to get their sticky mitts on anything. But, for the most part, we don't all go around shooting each other no matter how tempted because we simply don't have the necessary equipment and no way of getting it without the right mass copies of licences, forms and letters.


          It would be a temptation too - I know that if I had access to a gun when my mother in law had given me a day of hell and was still starting every sentence with 'I hate you so much' then I might say "oh to hell with this!" and shoot her in the face. But faced with the option of either clubbing her to death with my wheelchair footplate or merely waiting for her to die (she's 92); it's just easier to do the latter (and a lot less messy.)


          So I get why people don't have guns in the UK - the likelihood is, if we did; we'd be having our own Sandy Hook, Columbine and general 'nutjob goes crazy with gun' slaughters as frequently as you do over the pond. I get that we have too - we've had Hungerford, Dunblane and Cumbria; but nothing on the scale or the frequency of the US.


          The 18th amendment - prohibition of alcoholic beverages in the United States as I think it was worded - was repealed; I suggest someone does the same with the second one. 'The right to bear arms' is no longer valid in a country where shooting people to death is as common as speeding. A line has to be drawn and someone, somewhere must say 'this far and no farther.'

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              Trouble
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              Hey Trouble;

              From across the pond where more American's speed down the highway on a daily basis (one of our favorite past times) because we can; to drug lords, religious cults, the destruction of marriages in lieu of single parent households, gangs even abortions on demand! Gun regulation or confiscation does not resolve the principal cause for their illegal usage!

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                  irritant
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                  No, perhaps it doesn't. However, it would mean that suddenly 99% of people wouldn't have a right to own a double barrelled shotgun, an automatic or a semi. That can only be a good thing in a land where 90% of the gun owning fraternity have jumper trigger fingers at best, and an outright need to harm at worst.


                  Whereas most people have the motto 'do as you would be done by', the NRA have theirs as 'shoot first, ask questions later - if they're still breathing.' Not good when the person doing the shooting is mentally unstable and holding enough ammo and weapons to arm a large militia.....and marching down the corridors of an PRIMARY (elementary) school.

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                      irritant
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                      The 'shoot first, ask questions later - if they're still breathing' mantra of the old west is definitely alive and well in the America of the 21st C. I watch CNN (we get that on cable here in the UK) and I watch other US news channels on the internet and it is the default position for many people - especially the NRA. So why the words may not be said out loud anymore, the mindset is still very much in situ.

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                          irritant
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                          One - I'm a woman, not a 'fellow'. But seriously, please do not call me 'lady' (I have never been one) or 'madam' (I don't own a bordello either.) ;)


                          Two - all I know is that Americans, for the most part NRA members, are the most trigger happy people on the plane. It's scary how quick they are to pull the trigger first and question the corpse later. Understandable when they were fighting for independence from the UK, fighting for unification amongst themselves and then just fighting across untamed and dangerous land. But these days going for a soy mocha latte (extra skinny) at Starbucks isn't really taking their lives in their hands.


                          I really think if you take away the guns, you'd watch the US death rate tumble.

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                              Kevin Mc Daid
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                              Gun control doesn't work and gun free zones simply are an an invitation to come and kill at will for some nut.

                              Homicides Reported By Police in England and Wales

                              * Years are calendar years prior to 1998 and fiscal years (April 1 - March 31) thereafter.
                              † Homicide data is published according to the years in which the police initially reported the offenses as homicides, which are not always the same years in which the incidents took place.

                              ‡ Large anomalies unrelated to guns:

                              • 2000: 58 Chinese people suffocated to death in a shipping container en route to the UK

                              • 2002: 172 homicides reported when Dr. Harold Shipman was exposed for killing his patients

                              • 2003: 20 cockle pickers drowned resulting in manslaughter charges

                              • 2005: 52 people killed in the July 7th London subway/bus bombings

                              * Not counting the above-listed anomalies, the homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban.


                              from: http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#general

                              Try reading "More gun, less crime" by John Lott http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Underst...


                              The right to self defense is a basic right and should include the right to use the tools to protect that right. The founding fathers fully intended the citizens to own fire arms, the same arm carried by the foot soldier in fact. Nothing stops a shooting faster than return fire. The statistics clearly show that armed self defense is the first and best way to protect life. You can ban gun ownership and all you will do is ensure that the criminals will have more disarmed victims to prey on. Especially for women, a firearm and knowing how to use it is far better than a cell phone. Police no matter how well the coverage can not be everywhere and can not protect people. with these school shooting they could not get there in time. An armed citizen though has many times stopped shooters in their tracks, but the media with their anti gun agenda rarely wiil even report the fact that a shooter was stopped by someone carrying. for instance http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential... and http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutiona...

                              the FBI agrees as well: http://www.naturalnews.com/047378_murder_sprees_ar...


                              In each of these cases do you wish that these people were unarmed resulting in more deaths?

                              You want to see school shooting go away. get rid of gun free zones and have armed security and teachers. Further put signs up telling every one that there is armed response ready to deal with any would be shooter. School shootings will end or the ones that do attempt it will meet armed response and lives will be saved as seen before many times. Nothing stops a would be shooter faster than return fire. The police can not be every where so it is up to responsible adults to protect the children and having the best tool for doing so. It seems that they quickly change their minds when they are staring down the business end of a rifle or a .45. My life and my wifes were saved because we carried while hiking in AZ. someone with a pipe up his shirt tried to ambush us, til he saw my .45 on my hip and my powerful flashlight I had. He realized I was armed, dropped the pipe and ran. I reported the incident along with a detailed description. This person was responsible for a number of ambushes the last of which left the unarmed husband dead and the wife raped and beaten and left for dead. I knew there was something wrong and I had the .45 on an open carry holster. I didn't even have to reach for it and This murdering rapist ran away. He was caught eventually. A firearm more than once has saved my life without even having to draw. The same can be applied to the schools. Do we care enough about our kids to have arm security and teachers and concealed carry adults?


                              How many have to die before we take responsibility for our children and protect them with best means possible? The police can't do it for us we must take that responsibility ourselves. Do we have the courage to accept this duty to protect our children?

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                                  Sean Glazier
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                                  I'm sorry but as a Brit I can say what you've put as a load of rubbish. Yes, some guns are around used by psychotics and gangs. Yes innocents get killed by this scum. Derek Bird in Cumbria, the scum who slaughtered those children in Dunblane, and let's not forget Hungerford. However that's three mass killings in twenty-three years. America seems to be having similar slaughter occuring in as many days. Gun control is necessary if the US wish to save their people.


                                  Gun crimes in the UK also come as those holding weapons without a licence - or holding illegal weapons (guns, knives, etc that have been banned in the UK even with a licence). so this supposed 'scale' is merely misleading. I'm English, I've lived in Britain my whole life and I can say that our gun killings are far outweighed by the wholesale slaughter due to terrorist attacks by the likes of the IRA; and even those aren't as numerous as shootings in the US.


                                  I'm not against guns per se - I had an uncle with a farm that used to hunt rabbits and foxes (only when they became nuisance though). So I totally understand their uses, etc. He had a licence for his shotgun and practiced as he believed a clean kill was only fair to the animal to ensure they didn't suffer - it was the reason he never supported fox hunting or hare coursing.


                                  However, even here in the UK, licencing laws need to be tight as a drum. Too many nutjobs get them and go loopy. For us, three mass shootings in 23 years is still three too many. However, in the US it seems you don't get a BFG unless you are wanting to go on a killing spree. \No one in power seems to give a damn either; they mave all the noises and then carry on regardless.


                                  Most people who have handguns in the US are Joe Smoes - Mr and Mrs Average. Though even they can go mental and shoot their families on too many occasions; before trotting off to take out their work colleagues, neighbours and any passing pedestrians too.


                                  I really don't get that disconnect in the US; we just don't have it here in the UK. Someone pisses you off, you might give them a mouthful of abuse, key their car, or reformat their work hard drive . Spouses might cut up a cheating partners clothes, etc (from either gender) or sell their car for a couple of quid (around a dollar). But they don't go on a wholesale slaughter of everyone they know.


                                  Likewise one of us Brits getting made redundant, or fired, doesn't usually go home, get a weapon and then return to work to make their place of employment look like a scene from the 'Walking Dead'. We just rant, bad mouth the place or cry - it's what we do as a coping mechanism; mass slaughter in rage just doesn't come into it for 99.9% of the population. The .1% that might choose the 'walking dead' option rarely have a gun because of our gun control laws.

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                                      Sean Glazier
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                                      You want to see more kids and minorities killed in cross-fires between untrained and trigger-happy teachers and/or renta-cops? Then go right ahead and arm teachers and school security guards. The notion that open carry would protect innocent bystanders fails utterly on even the least bit of thoughtful examination. Cops frequently over-react to "perceived" threats even after they are trained as well as urban departments can afford to. Armed civilians are an absolute disaster in this country because they are almost entirely ill-trained or UN-trained in firearms safety and tactical situation awareness.

                                      The sad truth -- whether or not you remain in denial of it -- is that you are far less likely to be successful in defending yourself against deadly force with a gun, than you are to kill or injure an unarmed family member, neighbor, or innocent bystander by accident or in a drunken rage.

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                                          Kevin Mc Daid
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                                          Then again there is Norway with pretty strict gun laws.

                                          The purchase, possession, and use of firearms are tightly controlled in Norway, whose laws and regulations were made more stringent with amendments to the Firearms Act in 2009 and the adoption of new Firearms Regulations in that year. Permission to acquire a firearm must be obtained from the local police chief and is limited to persons of “sober habits” who have reasonable grounds for having a weapon. Fully automatic weapons, some semiautomatic weapons, and firearms disguised as other objects are banned under the law. Certain types of weapons not covered by the Firearms Act’s definition of firearms, such as stun guns, are also generally banned. In addition, the National Police Directorate may issue regulations prohibiting the acquisition, ownership, or possession of firearms deemed through their design or operation to be especially dangerous or inappropriate for use.

                                          http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-14259356




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                                              Kevin Mc Daid
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                                              I would have to research that but to blame guns only is a mistake.

                                              First you'll never control guns quick enough to make a difference. We both know that is a fantasy and at best a 20 to 40 year program.

                                              Second it started with a tanked economy......

                                              Third it in more cases has everything to do with religion...

                                              Forth it is one psycho path trying to create a moment of horror greater than the psycho path before him.

                                              (Not really crazy but not normal)

                                              Fifth the perpetrator almost always doesn't care and may hope to not leave the scene breathing.


                                              Now take a look at the following information for I'm not completely clear on the time frame but on average there are 40,000 suicides in the US.


                                              All suicides

                                              • Number of deaths: 41,149
                                              • Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.0
                                              • Cause of death rank: 10

                                              Firearm suicides

                                              • Number of deaths: 21,175
                                              • Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.7

                                              Suffocation suicides

                                              • Number of deaths: 10,062
                                              • Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.2

                                              Poisoning suicides

                                              • Number of deaths: 6,637
                                              • Deaths per 100,000 population: 2.1

                                              10 million Americans with mental illness to languish without care. On the dark edge of that spectrum is a consuming urge to die,

                                              The trend is to take someone or multiple someones with them.


                                              Now here is a fact that most don't think about:

                                              Guns kill and are used in these mass killing because we know what a gun does and who is using it.


                                              How many mass deaths are there in the US where the weapon isn't considered a weapon? How many where the deaths are just considered an accident because the tool used wasn't a gun?


                                              Gun related deaths in the US include gang related and suicides. So far most of the shootings have had a suicidal theme.





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                                                  Kevin Mc Daid
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                                                  Kevin, I keep hoping US constitutional scholars will discover notes that back my theory that the right to bare arms had to do with tank tops and muscle shirts and had nothing to do with guns :-}

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