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      The Nightmare Continues

      9 months ago

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      I haven't paid much attention to the anti-vax wingnuts, so I didn't know that RFKjr was one. What an insult to his father's legacy. I just can't believe that America is succumbing to ignorance and fear.

      If a child dies of a preventable disease then the parents should be convicted of manslaughter and depraved indifference.



      http://www.vox.com/2017/1/10/14225038/trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr-anti-vaxxer-autism-vaccine

      Ginger Gibson


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      Robert F Kennedy JR says Trump asked him to chair a commission on vaccine safety and he agreed. Has lobbied for vaccine exemptions.



      Mother leaves anti-vaccine movement after her kids nearly die from preventable virus

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      Kristin O’Meara and children. Image via Facebook

      Thankfully, Kristen O’Meara’s children will be fine, but that almost wasn’t the case. All three of O’Meara’s children were diagnosed with rotavirus, a serious, but easily prevented illness. Afterward, O’Meara re-evaluated her position and now accepts the science behind vaccines. O’Meara now wants to change the minds of other parents who are anti-vaccine:

      “I got absorbed in the anti-vax culture and secretly thought of myself as being superior to others. Parents who vaccinated didn’t have my special investigative skills. As far as I was concerned, they didn’t stop to question and were just sheep following the herd.”

      Then I started researching the intentional bias of the anti-vax reports. I wondered what would happen if I looked for confirmation of the efficiency and safety of vaccination. I read several books by Paul Offit, the co-inventor of a lifesaving rotavirus vaccine — who’s an indispensable purveyor of truth — as well as “The Panic Virus,” a logical, comprehensive argument for vaccines by Seth Mnookin.”

      “I’m frustrated with the amount of misinformation I encountered when I set out on this journey. But in the end I am thankful, for the sake of Natasha, Áine and Lena, that I was able to reassess my position and accept information that is based on well-established, sound scientific evidence”

      If I can make even one anti-vaxxer think twice, speaking out will have been worth it.”

      Speaking out will definitely be worth it if she can help prevent any children from getting sick. My own research looks at the social and psychological factors of why people reject evidence. Simply yelling facts at someone often will not get them to change their mind as you do not want to make them defensive. However, connecting with them on an emotional level, like O’Meara is trying to do, can be much more effective

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          zerokat
          9 months ago

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          So,

          This is the vaccination insert for the DTaP vaccination. Scroll down to page 4 and start reading under CONTRAINDICATIONS:
          http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf

          Now, ask yourself the obvious question. "Is there a parent or doctor on earth that knows if an infant has any of the conditions listed that the instructions say to not vaccinate? They don't is the answer. Yet it is the governments policy to vaccinate an infant without having anyway of knowing if they have any of these conditions simply because they are to young. That policy is not sound medical policy but fear based un-compassionate downright bureaucratic cruelty.


          The next question is look at the listed conditions conditions that could arise that you are told to not administer any more vaccinations? Meaning this can and does happen.


          My question is, since I assume the majority of those expressing their support for government policy and even strengthening it. Did you know the vaccine manufactures have inserts like this that say things like this? (It's not because they need the disclaimer to defend themselves against lawsuits. By law they can't be sued for vaccine related injures or death.) Then my next question is: Does this cause you to think that perhaps government policy needs to be modified so that blanket vaccinations for infants need to be slowed down until it can be determined if a child has any of these conditions. In other words wait until they are toddlers for instance?


          You all have to understand that most anti vaccination people are only against vaccinating under every and all circumstances but they are not anti vaccination for every circumstance. (Like rabies for instance; you dead if you don't vaccinate after getting bit by a rabid animal. 99% live with the vaccination.)

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              Daniel Martinovich
              9 months ago

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              So let the medical professionals decide, not entitled scions of the famous like RFK jr.

              http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/12-09-05/#feature

              n May 14, 1796, Edward Jenner developed and tested the first vaccine. He was able to protect people from smallpox by inoculating them with cowpox. Two centuries later vaccines have eradicated diseases and are often described as one of public health’s greatest achievements. According to the CDC vaccines have been highly successful and by 1996 there was 97.8% decrease in the incidence of rubella, diphtheria, haemophilus influenza type b, measles, mumps, pertussis, polio and tetanus (20).

              Nevertheless, American parents appear to be more anxious than ever about vaccinating their children. Currently, American children receive at least 36 vaccinations before their sixth birthday. Some vaccines protect children and people against devastating communicable diseases that if when left unvaccinated would result in epidemics within communities. Nowadays about 40% of American parents chose to delay or refuse vaccinations for their children (15). Most of the children who have received no vaccines have slipped through the cracks: they are poor and have no insurance (20–40% of unvaccinated children). About 11.5% of American parents have “consciously refused” vaccines recommended by pediatricians, and about 23% have delayed some vaccines (32). Currently, all U.S. states allow vaccine exemptions for medical reasons, 48 states also allow children to be exempt for religious reasons, and some have even begun accepting philosophical objections.

              etc...........

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                      zerokat
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                      Natural Selection.

                      Survival of the Fittest.

                      But no. Let's raise millions of victims, and those dependent on an out-of-control medical system that over-charges for vaccines that may, or may not work. Millions of people who depend on vaccines, medications, syrups, and snake-oil. Research confirms that people who get vaccines also die.

                      Doctor: "Mrs. Smith, the check for your vaccine was no good, and it was returned!"

                      Mrs. Smith: "So did my virus!".

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                          kimtek
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                          What we don't need are people like RFK jr using their celebrity to dispense advice so bad as to be deadly. His father would never invest his time and reputation on junk science. RFK concentrated on significant important issues using reason and compassion.

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                                  Acceptable risk. The minimal chance that one child might die from the preventative versus the absurdedly high chance that not vaccinating directly increases the chance of a deadly disease killing thousands?


                                  Sleep on that, willya?

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                                          If a child dies from a vaccination, that is a tragedy for the child and family.

                                          But if many children die from disease contracted from a child whose parents chose not to vaccinate, that is a tragedy for many children and families.

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                                                  Accidental deaths from vaccinations are very rare, and the courts will rule on liability. The deaths from not vaccinating would be numerous.

                                                  And, science has falsified the link between vax and autism.

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