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      As a non-Jew, non-Israeli, with only admittedly somewhat superficial understanding of Palestinian-Israel history, I pay some attention to anti-Semitism and those who decry it. (Leon Mintz, this reminds me of my exchanges with you.) But I tend to agree with opiners like Freedman (no pay-wall on The Guardian, but donate a bit if you can):

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may...

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          Ed Buckner
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          Here’s a little recent update that supports the point I made:

          Germany designates BDS Israel boycott movement as anti-Semitic

          https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-bds-israel-idUSKCN1SN204

          Note that this was supported across the political spectrum with only the extreme Right and extreme Left in opposition. The Right because they felt it should go much further (go figure) and the Left condemned BDS but didn’t want to go as far.

          As an aside, several years ago I had a client in Europe who was a major supporter and funder of BDS. At one point she told me she was so upset with Israel that she had to stop buying from the best pastry shop in town because it was owned by a Jew (he had no direct connection to Israel). Then I got added to her no Jews need apply list. Oh, she was NOT German and was also a nice cultured elite European Lefty of the Guardian variety.

          Do note that being deemed a vocal supporter of what has been deemed anti-Semitism in Germany generally can get you thrown in prison for hate speech. I think a few of our Dem Party Young Turks and folk like Doug around here might now have to reconsider their travel plans.

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              Ed Buckner
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                  Ed Buckner
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                  One of the new methods to discredit Jews and further antiSemitism, is to attack the identification of antiSemitism.


                  Here, people are more than willing to jump on an idea that those who raise the issue of bigotry are somehow manipulated by "the Russians"


                  Indeed, the Russians are just as likely to be manipulating and pushing this idea that those who raise antiSemtism are the manipulators.


                  As for the article itself, the author takes some very serious "alt fact" positions of his own.


                  (1) He falsely claims that "anti-Zionism" is just about "holding Israel accountable" for actions in the West Bank and Gaza -- when in fact "anti-Zionism" seeks to eradicate the Jewish State entirely. Zionism is consistent with both those who want to change Israel's policies in the territories and those who don't. By pretending Zionism is somehow inconsistent with peaceful resolution with the Arabs, the author buys into and perpetuates one of the most fundamentally flawed canards spread by the Israel haters. It started by the Russians (which makes it ironic) when they started the canard that Zionism is somehow "racism" because it focus don the protection of Jews in danger.


                  That's the problematic and false "conflation" about Zionism. Not that antiZionism is intertwined with antiSemitism.


                  (4) With respect to Lamont Hill - he says that Jews support a single democratic state in which Muslims can impose whatever law or type of society they want as a replacement for the Jewish State of Israel. This is so bizarre. Israel exists as a refuge state for oppressed Jews. I'm certain he's correct that a few very privileged Jews who wouldn't have to live in such a state might hold such views, but the idea that it is commonly held among Jews with a brain is preposterous.


                  Hill was properly chastised for pushing such ideas. It sounds great to say - "we just want a democracy in which everyone can live and let live" -- but common sense says otherwise.

                  (a) exactly where is such a state in which the majority population is Arab Muslim??? Look around. Such states are fully apartheid, murder gay people, crush free speech, crush freedom of religion (death for apostates for example), etc etc.


                  (b) More to the point -- the very people he is talking about gaining control over Israel, the Palestinians, SAY THEMSELVES that they will create an Islamic state and re-subjugate any Jews who survive and remain. They don't even give lip service to the type of western-value society Lamont Hill claims he is advocating for.


                  (3) He says falsely that Omar was complained of because of her statements about AIPAC. To the contrary, it was her statement that no one could support Israel on the merits, and that any Congress person supporting Israel MUST be doing so for the $$$. That is very very different from "criticizing AIPAC." She was criticizing any politician that supported Israel and claiming they were bribed. it is this idea of deligitimizing the important reasons for which people support Israel that she was called out for. Those like this author repackage what she said in order to defend her, but we heard her the first time.


                  (4) Finally, he says nothing wrong about Talib spreading lies about Palestinians providing a "refuge" for Jews during the Holocaust. The leadership at the times was not only ideologically against any Jewish immigration, they actively killed immigrating Jews. And - of course - the very second the Jews were left with their tiny bit of land and few weapons - a massive combined armies attacked in a war in which the Arabs themselves said they were seeking to commit genocide.


                  So -- there is no "there" there. Each example the author provides requires acceptance of "alt facts" to give any basis for his argument.


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                      Ed Buckner
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                      This is a serious problem, and I am grateful to Mr. Buckner for this post. The Guardian article indicates that the current anti-Semitism controversy is being stoked by the Russians, for the same reasons that the Russians are trying to divide blacks and whites--i.e., just to sow as much division within the U.S. population as possible. That makes a lot of sense to me, and helps to explain why this issue has gained so much steam so quickly. Personally, I have resented the accusations that everyone who favors the "two-state" solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which has been the official United Nations policy since 1974, is an anti-Semite. This is bullshit. Let's all try to calm down and realize that f*cking Vladimir Putin is f*cking with us again, and not let him succeed.

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                          Ed Buckner
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                          It may just be a coincidence, but a lead article at the Kremlin‘s version of the Daily Stormer site, Russia Insider, today is about the misuse of the term anti-Semitism to smear the good name of the good people of the UK. And kind of right on time is the Lefty Guardian of the UK with an article by some obscure Jewish guy in Brooklyn with a similar theme.

                          Anyway, I’ve found that Russia Insider seems to be used by the Kremlin to hone anti-Semitism as one of their newer disinformation wedge issues intended for the 2020 election. Their aim is to find ways to try to alienate Jewish voters from the Dem Party. I do believe that the bulk of Jewish voters would see your article, as well intentioned as it seems, as anathema. Well, I’m sure some Jewish Bernie Baby Millennials would like it but they don’t carry much weight among the decisive Jewish voters in Florida who are anything but Millennials...

                          Oh, and generally of late, whoever takes Florida takes the White House...

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                              Jake321
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                              I don't know what Russia Insider has to do with it. Never heard of it before.

                              Just found seven years old video from Latma about the difference between antisemitism and anti-Zionism. (Starts at 4:50 min)


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