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      Trump Versus Kim Face-to-Face

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      Trump versus Kim

      Face-to-Face


      Trump's unscrupulous negotiating tactics could make a bad situation worse


      By Ray Cunneff

      March 9, 2018


      Just as he did by abruptly announcing tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum, Donald Trump breaking with decades of foreign policy precedent by agreeing to in-person talks with North Korea's Kim Jong Un is nothing more than Trump's impulsive need for self-aggrandizement (and distraction).

      Both were done without consultation, research, policy review, or any sort of preparation of allies or even communication within his own administration. In reality TV, this is called "flip the script".

      Trump's much-touted "unpredictability" is more reminiscent of reckless "cult of personality" attempts to distract from the mounting evidence of a treasonous, corrupt conspiracy with Russian interests, both political and financial, at the expense of American democratic institutions and vital national interests.

      What makes this face-to-face meeting between Trump and Kim so dangerous are Trump's deeply ingrained negotiating tactics.


      It's all in Tony Schwartz's ghostwritten Trump manifesto, "The Art of the Deal".

      Trump has always negotiated on a bait-and-switch principle that depends entirely on several assumptions that have historically proven false.

      The Bait:

      The widely-cultivated belief that everyone wants to do business with Trump.

      The mystique that the payoff for doing business with Trump is prestige, power and enormous profit.

      The mythology that the Trump "brand" is a guarantee for success.

      That Trump's primary leverage in any deal is his threat of walking away if his demands are not met.

      The Switch:

      Trump's deals are always structured on unrealistic expectations.

      Anything less than immediate, enormous success collapses into failure.

      His "last money in, first money out" contractual demands leave partners to absorb most of the losses.

      The history of Trump blaming others for failure to deliver and then refusing to honor his contractual obligaions.


      Trump may have gotten away with these unscrupulous tactics in business, but in negotiations with a rogue nuclear nation they are potentially catastrophic.




      https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/09/trump-no...


      "Trump's grand gestures may make for high drama — but they come with real danger, especially when made by a figure with no experience or expertise in foreign policy."


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          Ray Cunneff
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          a) I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen. Trump's history is to screw up diplomatic opportunities. He certainly has no qualms about backtracking.


          b) I'm not sure how it could get any "worse". So, despite the media commentators to the contrary - i see any meeting as a positive. Better to have some talking than no talking.


          It's hard to day if this proposed meeting is in any way connected to Trump's aggressive stance with NK in any part or whole - but I don't think we should let our Trump hate stand in the way of something potentially positive in a situation that otherwise looks completely bleak and has looked so under both repub and dem past Administrations.

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              Ray Cunneff
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              My guess is this is one of those things that had to happen because neither could actually back way from it, but since Kim is most unlikely to give up his nukes, after having spent that much effort getting them, and Trump can't agree to his having them, it won't actually achieve anything.

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                  Ian Miller
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                  likely true - assuming even that the meeting takes place.


                  But if it does take place, I'd rather we are talking to them than not.

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                      Ray Cunneff
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                      Is Trump being played or has his brinkmanship finally brought North Korea to the table without preconditions? Is Kim scared of Trump or is he driving a wedge between the U.S. and South Korea? Has North Korea achieved the recognition and status among nations it has always craved or it is capitulating to the reality of its inevitable destruction at the hands of the U.S. and its allies? Is Trump grandstanding? Is Kim grandstanding? Who the hell knows?

                      Even if I give Trump the benefit of the doubt here, that his bellicosity has made the DPRK consider its mortality, I doubt he is unprepared to accomplish anything once he sits at the table. I'm not even sure he knows what he wants.

                      Damn the prognosticators and readers of tea leaves. The rules of diplomacy are N/A in this Administration. The two sides will talk. I'm curious to see where this goes. I'm curious to see whether, if (big IF) the DPRK agrees to denuclearize to any extent at all, this administration will get any credit for it.

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                          Ray Cunneff
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                          Yeah, LOL. NO KIDDING!! Trumps business deals gave ALWAYS been with people he could bully, outspend or out lawyer, and in the few cases where people HAVE stood up to HIM, he's usually LOST. If You'll notice, people like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, or Michael Bloomberg can insult him publically and Trump wont say a word.

                          KimJong Un, on the other hand can say to Trump screw you, I'll just blow up Guam

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                                      czook
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                                      this is true. But it is also true that regardless of how past Admins have played this not to acknowledge NK as a nation -- that policy was ineffective and rather useless, because it ignored reality. NK is a sovereign nation and pretending otherwise imo was stupid.


                                      What made sense right after the war when reconciliation was still fluid, no longer makes sense when reconciliation is remote and if possible can only result from NK and SK meeting as equals and making a deal.


                                      The only other way is to just bomb the crap out of NK and take them by force. Which is not likely to be our move.

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                                              czook
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                                              Can anyone explain what the president is talking about?


                                              Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

                                              In the first hours after hearing that North Korea’s leader wanted to meet with me to

                                              talk denuclearization and that missile launches will end, the press was startled & amazed.

                                              They couldn’t believe it. But by the following morning the news became FAKE.

                                              They said so what, who cares!


                                              Less than 24 hours after accepting an invitation to meet with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, the White House was backing away from a planned summit, blowing off the May meeting timetable, saying Donald Trump won’t meet with Kim unless he meets some conditions prior to the meeting. But it was Trump, not North Korea, that made a concession when he agreed to meet with the North Korean leader in the first place, something that no other president has ever agreed to do.


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