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      At first I was very hesitant about posting this article for discussion so I copied the link and moved on through my list of news sources looking for another topic of interest. Problem is, I kept coming back to this article and reread it over and over again and came to realize, this is exactly what we need to be discussing. We on the Left have been so distracted by what is all happening with Trump lately that we fail to do what we should be doing and that is looking introspectively at our very own Party and start making the needed corrections necessary to make us a viable option, not only in the mid-term elections, but the 2020 presidential election as well.


      Before I go on I just want to say this. This was not posted for discussion to get in that Bernie vs. Hillary argument. Bernie lost and so did Hillary. Move on. We can't look to the future and hope to bridge the gap within the Party if we keep bringing up that Bernie vs. Hillary crap. If one feels compelled to do so then have the courtesy to start your own discussion and allow this discussion to talk about the Party and how best we can move forward. Now, having said that, let's get back to the real topic which is, how can we make the Democratic Party stronger and appeal to the voters.


      In hopes of making the Democratic Party stronger and more viable change needs to come about. If you don't think so then ask yourself why we have been losing elections to the point we have lost the big trifecta, the presidency, the House and the Senate. One of the most telling sentences in this entire article is, "The goal isn’t just to reform the party establishment but to replace it." That is a big statement to make but it's true. Just voting for Democrats to gain seats isn't enough and we need candidates with a real agenda, real solutions to our problems and has the bawls to stand by their convictions. So, we may win elections in the future and gain seats and even win back the Senate but that is not enough. What are we going to do once back in power? Keep the status quo? That is what caused our defeat in the first place. I have to admit, the Republicans got it right when they said they were no longer interested in establishment politicians and wanted to replace them. What the Republicans were so wrong about is trying to do that with such a person as Trump who not only lied about doing that but has made the situation even worse than it existed prior to the election.



      Over the past several days I have had discussions with several people which touched upon this topic. opie and I discussed Party unity at length whereas czook and myself discussed Party agenda. Both discussions were very informative but what I now think what we missed somewhat is how to specifically achieve those goals. This is important, if we as a unified Party want to move on and start winning elections again.


      One thing which is very important is to step back and look at our Party and not just look for what we like about it but also look to see where we have our weaknesses. People generally don't like to do that and that is part of the problem because if we ignore our weaknesses then how can we fix our Party and make it into something that will be a force come the next elections? The article does just that, points out the areas we need to concentrate on and what we need to change as a Party. People don't like change, especially radical change but think of the alternative, more Trumps and a stronger Republican Party.







      http://www.salon.com/2017/06/18/yes-democrats-need...

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          Imre Bártfai
          4 months ago

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          Thank you Imre. I rarely do post anything from Salon but I do read occasionally and thought this might generate some interesting discussion.

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              Richard Caslon
              4 months ago

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              Yes, Bernie and Hillary lost, move on you say?

              I would like to know and understand why they lost, did Trump's collusion with Russia influence the election?

              It is certain Russia tried, just as certain Russia is still at it here and around the world (you might notice a few hackers onsite). Trump lost every debate is lost on basic issues is often unhinged and petty.

              Move on you say, do you mind if I ask if this disgrace was legitimate? Do you mind if I notice every action by this clown favors Russia.

              And just for my own interest how do you suggest we broadcast Donny with hookers? Or tapped discussions of Jarad and mobsters offering cash for changes in Trump policy directives? Was the election legitimate if it was not?

              All just politics as usual, just both sides right?

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                  DarOne
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                  Why is Russia releasing stolen emails horrible but a shady web site doing the same with stolen video (access holiwood) somehow ok?

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                          DarOne
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                          I am the wrong person to ask those questions. You need to direct your questions to those who are currently looking into those matters, which they are doing right now.

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                                  Richard Caslon
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                                  What has been utterly disconcerting and upsetting about this whole Trump fiasco has not only been the GOP complicity, but the complete weakness and timid response on the part of Democrat leaders. With the exception of a few standouts such as Ted Lieu, Maxine Waters and Kamala Harris, most of the others have continued down the same "bring a knife to a gunfight" strategy, and continue to use words like "troubling" and "concerning" when addressing Trump.


                                  Unbelievably (to me,) most Democrats in Congress, after everything we have seen from Trump - all of the blatant obstruction and lies and abuses of power - still approach talks of impeachment with "caution" and say they don't want to rush into anything, worried about the "optics" of crying wolf. This is frankly the lamest, weakest, most inane crap I have ever heard, and it inspires nothing but a sense of defeatism and acceptance of the worst presidential administration we have ever seen in our lifetimes. Republicans never worry about optics. They do what is needed to win, even if that means breaking or changing the rules. Now, I'm not saying Dems need to do the exact same, but it would be nice to see a little G*ddamn passion and vigor from the leadership and to lose the sense of complacency and patience/acceptance that they seem to want everybody to have. They are in the minority and there's little they might technically be able to do, but even on a symbolic level, showing some fight and conviction might help to win over some of the voters who stayed home last time. Simply put - stop worrying about optics, and start fighting as if our lives depended on it, because they do!

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                                      SoundNFury
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                                      I would have to agree with you. We are on the defensive and really should be on the offense challenging every damn idiotic thing Trump an the GOP is doing. I would also have listed Elizabeth Warren to your list of doers. She has been relentless in going after the Republicans on the floor of the Senate.

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                                              Richard Caslon
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                                              S/S. This is a qoute that a local radio personality would always close his show with, "If you can't change the people around. Change the people around you." This is what needs to occur with the party and it can be done bay people actually doing the things they campaigned on as well as the actual people driving the agenda and finding candidates that can support and implement them.

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                                                  Richard Caslon
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                                                  The country may need another civil war. This one against the Russian agents (witting and unwitting, mostly just dimwitted) who supported and continue to support Trump. Let's go ahead and let the South secede. Build a wall along the Mason Dixon line. Force the Mormons to move to Texas and give Utah to California.

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